Scent Control Podcast with Dan Infalt & John Eberhart
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Couple things about ozone just my opinion.
It definitely works. I used a household machine years ago to remove a heavy cigarette odor from an apartment I moved into. In 2 days there was 0 odor and I am highly allergic to that cigarette stench and never had a problem after running he machine. There is certainly some science there.
Second, the gas is harmful but at what point? Too much water intake becomes poison to the human body but surely nobody is scared to stay hydrated. So I don't know the levels of O2 and when it becomes dangerous but I wouldn't be worried about using it in open air situations...
Idk.
It definitely works. I used a household machine years ago to remove a heavy cigarette odor from an apartment I moved into. In 2 days there was 0 odor and I am highly allergic to that cigarette stench and never had a problem after running he machine. There is certainly some science there.
Second, the gas is harmful but at what point? Too much water intake becomes poison to the human body but surely nobody is scared to stay hydrated. So I don't know the levels of O2 and when it becomes dangerous but I wouldn't be worried about using it in open air situations...
Idk.
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PK_ wrote:Couple things about ozone just my opinion.
It definitely works. I used a household machine years ago to remove a heavy cigarette odor from an apartment I moved into. In 2 days there was 0 odor and I am highly allergic to that cigarette stench and never had a problem after running he machine. There is certainly some science there.
Second, the gas is harmful but at what point? Too much water intake becomes poison to the human body but surely nobody is scared to stay hydrated. So I don't know the levels of O2 and when it becomes dangerous but I wouldn't be worried about using it in open air situations...
Idk.
When I worked in hospitality the cleaning service we hired to sanitize and deodorize the hotel rooms used industrial ozone generators. While they were never able to quite get all of the cigarette smell out of the room it was a remarkable difference. I believe ozone does deodorize things - just that it can't possible work on stand in an open air environment.
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dan wrote:In all fairness, I should say, scent control does reduce odor. Its just a matter if how much reduction you would need to fool a nose that smells millions of times better than we can even comprehend. I think if it buys you a needed 2 seconds once in your lifetime, your a lucky guy
To each there own... I do find it interesting that I could care less if you do, or don't use some sort or degree of scent control, but the scent control guys seem to get down right angry that I don't use it.
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PK_ wrote:Couple things about ozone just my opinion.
It definitely works. I used a household machine years ago to remove a heavy cigarette odor from an apartment I moved into. In 2 days there was 0 odor and I am highly allergic to that cigarette stench and never had a problem after running he machine. There is certainly some science there.
Second, the gas is harmful but at what point? Too much water intake becomes poison to the human body but surely nobody is scared to stay hydrated. So I don't know the levels of O2 and when it becomes dangerous but I wouldn't be worried about using it in open air situations...
Idk.
O2 is oxygen. Ozone is O3 and much more unstable than O2. It's also a more powerful oxidant than O2 (will cause rust) and those properties make it harmful to lung tissue on all animals and some plant tissues at levels higher than 100 ppb.
Ozone works great at eliminating odors in an enclosed area. I've even found dead bugs and mice after treating a room. But because O3 is so active, once it's exposed to open air it reacts with 02 and dissolves quickly. This is why Ozonics simply can't be as effective as they claim, because the gas isn't concentrated. Furthermore, Ozonics claims their machine produces O3 levels safe enough for humans to be around. This tells me that the machine either doesn't produce enough gas to be effective at eliminating odors, OR that the statement isn't true and the machine is still harmful to humans. More false advertising in the hunting industry.
Back to the podcast. What about the part where John says he doesn't pay attention to the wind, but sets his stands up on the downwind side of the scrape area? You can't make this stuff up!!!
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Dewey wrote:"Iowa and Kansas are freebies. It doesn't take a lot of skill set to kill deer there."
I think anybody that has hunted in either state would tell you it's far from easy. Sure the quality and numbers are there but John saying it's a "freebie" is pretty arrogant and pretty degrading to the hunters in those states if you ask me.
Agreed. Those statements were made more than once and is good way to alienate yourself. If it's so easy then what is the point of needing scent control? Seems a little conflicting.
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Dewey wrote:"Iowa and Kansas are freebies. It doesn't take a lot of skill set to kill deer there."
I think anybody that has hunted in either state would tell you it's far from easy. Sure the quality and numbers are there but John saying it's a "freebie" is pretty arrogant and pretty degrading to the hunters in those states if you ask me.
Just goes to show you how bad a hunter I am...I'm in KS and it's not a freebie for me!!!
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basspro05 wrote:Dewey wrote:"Iowa and Kansas are freebies. It doesn't take a lot of skill set to kill deer there."
I think anybody that has hunted in either state would tell you it's far from easy. Sure the quality and numbers are there but John saying it's a "freebie" is pretty arrogant and pretty degrading to the hunters in those states if you ask me.
Just goes to show you how bad a hunter I am...I'm in KS and it's not a freebie for me!!!
I worked my but off to kill an Iowa buck last year. Probably the hardest I have ever hunted. I must suck as a hunter. I thought there were 150" bucks behind every tree.
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I have respect both john and dan so im pretty neutral in the whole scent control issue. BUT when john meantioned he got winded by two 1 1/2 year old bucks only because he had sweat on his face i started to think when was the last time i hunted and didnt have sweat dripping down my face. I know that most of the guys on this site hunt by carrying stand in and setting up so i would assume most of us will be sweating by the time you get set up. So pretty much if i do the whole scent routine that john uses but have sweat on my face it wont work. Seems crazy to me!!!!
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Wall hanger wrote:I have respect both john and dan so im pretty neutral in the whole scent control issue. BUT when john meantioned he got winded by two 1 1/2 year old bucks only because he had sweat on his face i started to think when was the last time i hunted and didnt have sweat dripping down my face. I know that most of the guys on this site hunt by carrying stand in and setting up so i would assume most of us will be sweating by the time you get set up. So pretty much if i do the whole scent routine that john uses but have sweat on my face it wont work. Seems crazy to me!!!!
I was thinking the same. Us mobile guys are hauling a lot of gear in and out every single day. Not sweating isn't an option even on real cold days.
If he's wiping his body down with wet wipes he has to remove some of his Scent Lok. By doing that he is releasing and contaminating the outside of his clothing with massive amounts of human scent that will linger with him all day. Unless you are in a sealed bubble for the entire day there is no possible way none of that scent escapes. Wearing head to toe Scent Lok in warm weather including a facemask is crazy. Human scent would be pumping out like crazy. No way to contain that.
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Dewey wrote:Not sweating isn't an option even on real cold days.
I hear you there. I break a sweat sitting around most days.
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So I am trying to figure this out. I can understand the science possibly of the carbon soaking up the scent. But you have to assume no scent on the outside of the garments period. To throw it in the dryer even after running a load of towels with no scented soap and expect there to be no scent us hard for me to wrap my mind around.
I would love to think that my rubber boots that I have stored in my outside garage (that is where I keep mine) would have no scent on them. Now as long as I don't touch any brush atleast they can't smell where I walk or does my scent lock suit keep smell off my feet also?....... Confused....
I would love to think that my rubber boots that I have stored in my outside garage (that is where I keep mine) would have no scent on them. Now as long as I don't touch any brush atleast they can't smell where I walk or does my scent lock suit keep smell off my feet also?....... Confused....
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I can respect John and his hunting style.. the scent control tactics is not one I believe or follow. Your wrist strap, pulling arrows while practicing, putting scent lok cloths in their bins with your hands, your bow handle. No way and no thanks. Can't be done and it'll take all the fun. I personally think him hinting 25-30feet in a tree is what does it for him period
Dan I txt you and emailed you to do computer scouting per your service... where you at????
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BuffaloNYhunter wrote:I can respect John and his hunting style.. the scent control tactics is not one I believe or follow. Your wrist strap, pulling arrows while practicing, putting scent lok cloths in their bins with your hands, your bow handle. No way and no thanks. Can't be done and it'll take all the fun. I personally think him hinting 25-30feet in a tree is what does it for him period
Dan I txt you and emailed you to do computer scouting per your service... where you at????
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Wannabelikedan wrote:BuffaloNYhunter wrote:I can respect John and his hunting style.. the scent control tactics is not one I believe or follow. Your wrist strap, pulling arrows while practicing, putting scent lok cloths in their bins with your hands, your bow handle. No way and no thanks. Can't be done and it'll take all the fun. I personally think him hinting 25-30feet in a tree is what does it for him period
Dan I txt you and emailed you to do computer scouting per your service... where you at????
If I were a betting man I’d say work, hunting, or trying to devise a plan to get by carol before she catches him heading out the door to go hunting.
Wannabe's assessment is an accurate one. I am going to try and catch up on the many requests I have today. Its not easy, I get a lot of requests and it is hunting season...
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