Second year hunter question
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Also , I thought YT had a new policy against hunting videos like that ? No ?
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It sounds like you are a new hunter, and are starting by hunting deer with archery equipment. That is unusual. The normal course would be to start with small game and a gun, move up to large game with a gun, then go to large game with archery. You are missing out on a lot by starting with large game by archery. Like, things don't always die as we see in the movies, this is real. Archery's dirty secret is that more deer are maimed or missed then are killed and recovered. (I'll likely get roasted for admitting it here ) Just got to accept things for what they are and do what you can about it. Hunting will never be perfect every time.
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Drich wrote:Archery's dirty secret is that more deer are maimed or missed then are killed and recovered. (I'll likely get roasted for admitting it here ) Just got to accept things for what they are and do what you can about it. Hunting will never be perfect every time.
Not roasted, that is the truth.
Someone is gonna say gun hunters loose just as many and may have some facts to back it up. Ive lost 6 or more to archery (only hit about 12) vs 1 to rifle (about 80-100). just how it works.
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I would say practice with your broadheads a bunch. Keep them sharp too. But also be very selective with the shots you do take. Take shots you are comfortable with.
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<DK> wrote:Jackson Marsh wrote:austin1990 wrote:It's a very rare occurrence, majority of the time they will run out of sight and die, enless you spine shoot one, then you want to get a second arrow in them quick. I hate to see anything suffer, but unfortunately no matter how much you practice, shooting at an animal Is a different situation all together, and stuff happens. Just try your best to make a quick, clean kill, and if need be, shoot them again.
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First year hunting or just first season for archery ?
Its easy to cope with bc its not worse than field dressing and processing them
After losing alot of deer in 10 years - I would like to see at least part of that bc I know hes going down
I haven't been hunting that long so I remember very well the first deer I killed. It was the second day of my first season ever hunting. It was a beautiful doe that I attempted to pass because I was waiting for the big monster buck to come out. The third time she stopped perfectly broadside I said screw it, & let it fly... perfect shot, went no more than 20 yards. I got down, found her & thought... "well now what?" ha! I was by myself, so I just field dressed the best I could & started dragging. It was about 98 degrees out that afternoon. It was an experience I'll never forget.
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Ryan549 wrote:greg728 wrote:Thanks guys. I love the woods and learning how to chase deer. I love the idea of harvesting my own food and being less reliant on factory farming. I've just never shot a deer yet and after watching that video it really messed me up. I know things happen fast but I really want to make it as quick as possible for them.
There is a part of a successful hunt, for me anyway, that is very somber. You stand over a deer you just killed and you need to accept that you are responsible for that. Sure, I am happy, but there is a moment of reflection, of respect. So I believe your feeling are right in line with where they should be.
When I see blood flying after my arrow goes through the deer, I know I hit my mark, that deer will expire quickly. Nobody wants to put an animal through a long, suffering death.
Practice a lot. Then practice some more. You can never be too prepared
I heavily echo all of this. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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I find it almost impossible to explain to non hunters how I am glad to kill a deer but MORTIFIED of wounding one. Y'all understand but a lot of folks don't. Death for wild creatures is not pretty - pretty much eaten by another animal or starve are the 2 most likely options.. hit by a car....
I spend the off season working to prepare and then do my best - isn't always perfect but far better fate than what else awaits them and better for herd as a whole so I also try to keep the big picture in mind because it is a somber event even on the greatest shot on the biggest "trophy" however you define it. Best of luck to you all this season.
I spend the off season working to prepare and then do my best - isn't always perfect but far better fate than what else awaits them and better for herd as a whole so I also try to keep the big picture in mind because it is a somber event even on the greatest shot on the biggest "trophy" however you define it. Best of luck to you all this season.
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Make sure your arrows are built and tuned properly, and your bow is tuned properly, so that when you shoot your broadheads they fly nearly exactly like your field points. Make sure your practice alot to become as good of a shot as you possibly can, then make sure you practice shooting from your stand or saddle or whatever you are using. That should include shots from various distances and in all directions, because you never really know the direction a deer will come from. Make sure you are able to judge the distance of the shot very well. I have actually been able to use my rangefinder to range deer I was going to shoot most of the time, but that's not always possible, so you have to get good at judging or ranging landmarks from your hunting position. Once you've got all that down, the trick is being very deliberate when actually taking a shot on an animal. I personally focus on knowing which pin I am going to use and then on my archery form throughout the shot. That has helped me reduce the chance of having an errant shot... but it has still happened. My first few years hunting I never made a bad shot.. last year that was not the case. I realized what the problem was, and I have focused on fixing that during this offseason to hopefully make sure that never happens again. If you've done all that you can do to get good shots on deer, I would absolutely not worry about seeing any crazy experience like you described. That is almost never even a possible outcome. In reality it's unlikely you would even see the deer die most of the time while archery hunting. I have only hunted 3 complete seasons, and I have killed 7 deer. The two deer I shot with a firearm I saw drop, one of those was a big beautiful doe I had to put another shot in once I got to her, just to make sure she didn't suffer... not fun, but necessary. The first two deer I shot with a bow both went 20 yards or less, but I still didn't see then because they ran off into the brush. Another one I shot, he dropped, then he got up and started browsing again, then dropped again. One was a young doe that dropped on the spots because it was one of my "bad" shots from last season, when I hit it in the spine just below the base of the skull... If hunting is something you want to do, don't let something you saw on youtube stop you. It's very unlikely to happen like that, and even if it did, it's very unlikely that you'd see it.
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Sounds like you have gotten a lot of good information. All I will say is nothing is ever 100% or perfect when dealing with wildlife and mother nature. You have to do your best in the situation that is presented to you. Don't feel pressured If your not comfortable taking the shot.
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Personally have never seen a deer bleeding like you described but in the grand scheme of things that’s a good thing. I mean archery kills are usually a result of a deer bleeding to death. Either on the ground or internally. Plus blood like that makes one easier to recover. Believe it or not many deer are lost from more tasteful footage that does not leave a trackable blood trail. I have also lost a good buck or 2 by lack of blood. So I cope with a gusher by doing a series of hip thrusts!
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greg728 wrote:Last year was my first year archery hunting and while I saw deer and was close to a shot I've yet to fill a tag. Last night I watched a public land hunt on YouTube and was pretty shaken up from what I saw. I understand we're hunting and the desired end result is to make a kill, but the way this deer died was very graphic and extremely difficult to watch. Projectile blood from its mouth, just standing there stuggling to breathe but it wouldn't go down. It looked like a double lung shot from what I saw. My question is how common is it that they're spewing blood like that and just not going down after a well placed shot in its vitals? And how does everyone cope with seeing things like this? Most of the videos I see after a shot the deer runs for about 50 yards or so and collapses relatively quickly so I had the impression that's what the majority of double lung or heart shots would be like. I know there's going to be gut shots on occasion and I may lose a deer but I just wanted to know if it's usually a really graphic and painful thing to watch. Even though I'm looking to harvest them I really respect them as animals and want to prevent as much suffering as possible.
To put it bluntly, if you were "pretty shaken up" from a YouTube video hunting may not be for you. If you shoot enough animals with sharp sticks you're going to witness all kinds of things. Yes, it's important to be set up with the proper equipment and do your due diligence practicing, but archery hunting is 90% between the ears. I've seen great backyard shooters come apart at the seams when you put a living animal in front of them. I would recommend purchasing as many antlerless tags as you possibly can, and then try to kill everything that walks in front of you. Don't be selective when you're just starting out. You need experience and the only way to know if you have what it takes is by putting yourself in that position as much as possible. Good luck!
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CBM wrote:greg728 wrote:Last year was my first year archery hunting and while I saw deer and was close to a shot I've yet to fill a tag. Last night I watched a public land hunt on YouTube and was pretty shaken up from what I saw. I understand we're hunting and the desired end result is to make a kill, but the way this deer died was very graphic and extremely difficult to watch. Projectile blood from its mouth, just standing there stuggling to breathe but it wouldn't go down. It looked like a double lung shot from what I saw. My question is how common is it that they're spewing blood like that and just not going down after a well placed shot in its vitals? And how does everyone cope with seeing things like this? Most of the videos I see after a shot the deer runs for about 50 yards or so and collapses relatively quickly so I had the impression that's what the majority of double lung or heart shots would be like. I know there's going to be gut shots on occasion and I may lose a deer but I just wanted to know if it's usually a really graphic and painful thing to watch. Even though I'm looking to harvest them I really respect them as animals and want to prevent as much suffering as possible.
To put it bluntly, if you were "pretty shaken up" from a YouTube video hunting may not be for you. If you shoot enough animals with sharp sticks you're going to witness all kinds of things. Yes, it's important to be set up with the proper equipment and do your due diligence practicing, but archery hunting is 90% between the ears. I've seen great backyard shooters come apart at the seams when you put a living animal in front of them. I would recommend purchasing as many antlerless tags as you possibly can, and then try to kill everything that walks in front of you. Don't be selective when you're just starting out. You need experience and the only way to know if you have what it takes is by putting yourself in that position as much as possible. Good luck!
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CBM wrote:greg728 wrote:Last year was my first year archery hunting and while I saw deer and was close to a shot I've yet to fill a tag. Last night I watched a public land hunt on YouTube and was pretty shaken up from what I saw. I understand we're hunting and the desired end result is to make a kill, but the way this deer died was very graphic and extremely difficult to watch. Projectile blood from its mouth, just standing there stuggling to breathe but it wouldn't go down. It looked like a double lung shot from what I saw. My question is how common is it that they're spewing blood like that and just not going down after a well placed shot in its vitals? And how does everyone cope with seeing things like this? Most of the videos I see after a shot the deer runs for about 50 yards or so and collapses relatively quickly so I had the impression that's what the majority of double lung or heart shots would be like. I know there's going to be gut shots on occasion and I may lose a deer but I just wanted to know if it's usually a really graphic and painful thing to watch. Even though I'm looking to harvest them I really respect them as animals and want to prevent as much suffering as possible.
To put it bluntly, if you were "pretty shaken up" from a YouTube video hunting may not be for you. If you shoot enough animals with sharp sticks you're going to witness all kinds of things. Yes, it's important to be set up with the proper equipment and do your due diligence practicing, but archery hunting is 90% between the ears. I've seen great backyard shooters come apart at the seams when you put a living animal in front of them. I would recommend purchasing as many antlerless tags as you possibly can, and then try to kill everything that walks in front of you. Don't be selective when you're just starting out. You need experience and the only way to know if you have what it takes is by putting yourself in that position as much as possible. Good luck!
Well said, all great advice you gave.
To also be blunt, in hunting there WILL be blood. The more the better really because if he is gushing blood you’ve done your job and he is dying quickly.
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I like it much more when they run off and die somewhere out of sight. It can be hard to watch even when ots quick. When I was young it did not bother me like now. I can remember finishing off deer with a knife after finding them alive. but now as I get older I see myself in them a little. Just do your best to make a good shot.
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It’s a good thing that it matters to you; means you have a soul. Take all the good advice others have given about choosing your shots and being prepared. The truth is none of our food likely dies the way it would if it had a choice. Do your best to build honor into the way you hunt.
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